To become electable, to become acceptable to the right-wing media, the Labour Party under Starmer has ruthlessly expelled left-wing members, displaying contempt for democracy and honesty as they did so, and have made it clear that power is much more important to them than principles. Their adherence to a right wing, pro US and pro Zionist world view, with all the attendant cruelty and injustice, is a cause for despair.
Starmer is the Establishment plant into the Labour Party, they having realised that the Tories had become the Monster Raving Loony Party and we would change at the earliest opportunity and frightened by Jeremy Corbyn's near success at becoming the PM of a genuine Socialist government, they anointed Starmer to make the Labour Party a right wing Party and he has succeeded in that. Nothing will change if he is elected, the status quo will be maintained whilst the Tory Party regains it's senses and when the time is right, takes it's position in Westminster as the status quo Party, and so the duopoly is maintained, whilst giving the sheeple the illusion of living in a democracy. Our only chance now is that we vote for the Green Party (my choice) or Independents, or any body else except reform and actually force a broad coalition in government who will hopefully get rid of our FPTP voting system and all the restrictions on our freedom that have been enacted in the years since the bitch Thatcher and a return to publicly owned utilities, proper tax laws to stop evasion, and a return to the idea that we are collectively responsible for the wellbeing of the whole population.
Starmer doesn't understand 'Labour' or socialism, if he bans a labour MP from standing on a picket line. Where did the paid holidays come from? The factories closing on Saturdays. The NHS is deeply socialist. Harping on about his father being a tool maker is hypocrasy. He's got a lawyer's background and that provides his values. He doesn't know the plot!
History is repeating itself. Starmer has shackled himself, deliberately, to the ghost of Philip Snowden, in modern dress and female gender, whose financial orthodoxy meant his insistence of benefit cuts as unemployment rose split the Labour Party and ensure Tory rule throughout the 1930s. We hear nothing from the Labour Party about ending the need for food banks, protecting tenancy security and controlling rents, and other policies that would have an immediate effect on the lives of millions of the worst off. Meanwhile every corporate and PR chancer is joining the supporting chorus, even as membership has dropped radically in the last couple of years. There are likely to be fewer scandals than the Tories have provided, and there will be some improvement in a few areas which could not get even worse [environmental protection, employment rights] but anyone who thinks the Labour Party is an instrument for social justice is going to suffer depression, very quickly
I actually fear a government led by Starmer. He has demonstrated his anti-democratic traits already within the Labour party, bending rules and rigging candidate selection to bolster his own leadership - more so even than Tony Blair. He is also a liar at the Johnsonian level and his pledges mean nothing as he is totally owned by his donors
If Starmer doesn't increase taxation there will be no money to make any changes and Labour wil lbe kicked out at the next election. Politics in the UK needs a huge shake up. introducing PR would chaotic but maybe this is what is needed.
A transformational centrist agenda is better served by voting for Liberal Democrats, at least they mean it more. Starmer is an opportunistic barrister by training, whatever produces a win is good.
I think that a Labour government will be more radical than we think. It's a case of don't frighten the horses at present, and not giving the Tories any ammunition to fire at Labour.
I can't imagine life after another 5 years of Tory cronies ripping the heart out of the economy and public services. The thought appalls me.
There is not much difference between the two parties. One is just a little less nastier than the other. In the end all you get is capitalism. So much for democracy.
The traditional 'Left' is dying. It's agenda, based on anything short of the exploited vanquishing the exploiters being a betrayal of its principles, has expired. At its core is a contempt for what it sneeringly refers to as 'bourgeois democracy'. But in reality is contempt for everyday voters. Every Victorian discovery has been superceeded in the modern age apart from Marxism which lives on in every so called socialist who despairs at 'Red Tory' Starmer. Here we are at the end of the worst government for a generation and the perpetual miserablists are forecasting disappointment and more decline. 'The Right only succeed when the Left have failed'. Well, you have failed with your mechanical interpretation of history and contempt for those not interested in Gramsci or Lenin. Listen to the rantings of the likes of George Galloway and see where your anti Stamer diatribes end up.
The socialist brand preceded Marxism, but has largely been successfully toxified by the Right as essentially marxist. There is no contradiction in advocating collective action for the common interest, and in rejecting Marxist dogma including dialectic metaphysics (and the likes of Galloway).
It would be interesting to ask Starmer if he still considers himself a socialist, as he did on Desert Island Discs shortly after the leadership election. Am guessing he would mention the 'circumstances have changed' line.
I asked someone who was being very critical of Starmer if they thought they could do a better job as leader of the opposition. 'Quite easily' they replied! It's the arrogance of these armchair socialists that infuriates me.
It would be nice to have a party leader who is not detached from it's values (Jon Cruddas). With Wes Streeting using tory language (NHS is a religion), with Starmer's approval, how can he be a socialist?
We need a leader who can fix broken Britain. If we have to wait until every Labour supporter approves of their qualities the Tories will continue wrecking the country.
The Marxist manifesto would probably be written by AI if Marx were around today. Yes of course it would be quite different but at its core there would surely be an economic system that did not harm people or the planet and would be anathema to the oligarchs just as the original was.
It can’t be any worse but to actually “change” in any meaningful way will require radical action of which Starmer and crew are incapable- at least from what’s apparent so far. Although there’ll be some relief on July 4th I can’t say I feel anything other than pessimism.
As with all post-war Labour governments, including the 45-51, opposition from the right will be relentless, despite or because of essential and.hopefully transformational reforms. It is essential to earn a good majority second term.
It’s time for ethical, practical action. Sir K may seem boring but if rather put my trust in an principled , economically sound, proactive government that listens to the hard working professionals ( the nhs, teachers, police ) , the working and middle classes , not just pander to the rich and entitled, while pouring poisonous rhetoric about the very people that have been instrumental in bringing the ‘great’ in Great Britain . Yes , the immigrants , Mr Sunak - like your own family!
We tried Corbyn and it was a disaster. We either want to be in power or we don't. No-one gets anything changed in opposition. Sure, I haven't liked everything KS has said and done but he's playing the long game, getting as many on board as possible and crushing the Tories. Starmer will win big and we should all get behind him. Although, ideally, I would like to see Alistair Campbell in as Head of Strategy for maximum effect....
They will need a second term to be transformative, but Starmer and other Shadow Cabinet leaders seem to understand that they must get that message through to voters from the outset.
It will be continuity Tory, austerity, authoritarian crackdowns, marionette foreign policy, neoliberalism dressed up as social democracy. So disappointed in "labour" will the public be that Bad Enoch and the rabid fash will resurge in style in 2029. Dark days ahead. Our only hope is a hung parliament to restrain Starmer from his worst impulses. Vote independent socialist, green, plaid/snp, but don't vote Labour unless more Toryism and an even greater lurch to the right is what you really desire. Sir Keir, the reincarnation of Sir Oswald for capitalism's death throes.
It has contained the seeds of its own demise since inception, certainly.
Not sure who you think wants a 'return' to benevolent feudalism (if ever such a thing existed).
We're in the end days of the current system, we will return to s sustainable, resource based economy and existence one way or another, that is inevitable. The choice is whether to do it now, harnessing all the technology and innovation we have created, or we continue on our current course and end up living in caves.
Starmer prefers the latter option, apparently. Do you?
To become electable, to become acceptable to the right-wing media, the Labour Party under Starmer has ruthlessly expelled left-wing members, displaying contempt for democracy and honesty as they did so, and have made it clear that power is much more important to them than principles. Their adherence to a right wing, pro US and pro Zionist world view, with all the attendant cruelty and injustice, is a cause for despair.
Starmer is the Establishment plant into the Labour Party, they having realised that the Tories had become the Monster Raving Loony Party and we would change at the earliest opportunity and frightened by Jeremy Corbyn's near success at becoming the PM of a genuine Socialist government, they anointed Starmer to make the Labour Party a right wing Party and he has succeeded in that. Nothing will change if he is elected, the status quo will be maintained whilst the Tory Party regains it's senses and when the time is right, takes it's position in Westminster as the status quo Party, and so the duopoly is maintained, whilst giving the sheeple the illusion of living in a democracy. Our only chance now is that we vote for the Green Party (my choice) or Independents, or any body else except reform and actually force a broad coalition in government who will hopefully get rid of our FPTP voting system and all the restrictions on our freedom that have been enacted in the years since the bitch Thatcher and a return to publicly owned utilities, proper tax laws to stop evasion, and a return to the idea that we are collectively responsible for the wellbeing of the whole population.
Starmer doesn't understand 'Labour' or socialism, if he bans a labour MP from standing on a picket line. Where did the paid holidays come from? The factories closing on Saturdays. The NHS is deeply socialist. Harping on about his father being a tool maker is hypocrasy. He's got a lawyer's background and that provides his values. He doesn't know the plot!
History is repeating itself. Starmer has shackled himself, deliberately, to the ghost of Philip Snowden, in modern dress and female gender, whose financial orthodoxy meant his insistence of benefit cuts as unemployment rose split the Labour Party and ensure Tory rule throughout the 1930s. We hear nothing from the Labour Party about ending the need for food banks, protecting tenancy security and controlling rents, and other policies that would have an immediate effect on the lives of millions of the worst off. Meanwhile every corporate and PR chancer is joining the supporting chorus, even as membership has dropped radically in the last couple of years. There are likely to be fewer scandals than the Tories have provided, and there will be some improvement in a few areas which could not get even worse [environmental protection, employment rights] but anyone who thinks the Labour Party is an instrument for social justice is going to suffer depression, very quickly
I actually fear a government led by Starmer. He has demonstrated his anti-democratic traits already within the Labour party, bending rules and rigging candidate selection to bolster his own leadership - more so even than Tony Blair. He is also a liar at the Johnsonian level and his pledges mean nothing as he is totally owned by his donors
If Starmer doesn't increase taxation there will be no money to make any changes and Labour wil lbe kicked out at the next election. Politics in the UK needs a huge shake up. introducing PR would chaotic but maybe this is what is needed.
A transformational centrist agenda is better served by voting for Liberal Democrats, at least they mean it more. Starmer is an opportunistic barrister by training, whatever produces a win is good.
I think that a Labour government will be more radical than we think. It's a case of don't frighten the horses at present, and not giving the Tories any ammunition to fire at Labour.
I can't imagine life after another 5 years of Tory cronies ripping the heart out of the economy and public services. The thought appalls me.
There is not much difference between the two parties. One is just a little less nastier than the other. In the end all you get is capitalism. So much for democracy.
The traditional 'Left' is dying. It's agenda, based on anything short of the exploited vanquishing the exploiters being a betrayal of its principles, has expired. At its core is a contempt for what it sneeringly refers to as 'bourgeois democracy'. But in reality is contempt for everyday voters. Every Victorian discovery has been superceeded in the modern age apart from Marxism which lives on in every so called socialist who despairs at 'Red Tory' Starmer. Here we are at the end of the worst government for a generation and the perpetual miserablists are forecasting disappointment and more decline. 'The Right only succeed when the Left have failed'. Well, you have failed with your mechanical interpretation of history and contempt for those not interested in Gramsci or Lenin. Listen to the rantings of the likes of George Galloway and see where your anti Stamer diatribes end up.
The socialist brand preceded Marxism, but has largely been successfully toxified by the Right as essentially marxist. There is no contradiction in advocating collective action for the common interest, and in rejecting Marxist dogma including dialectic metaphysics (and the likes of Galloway).
I do advocate collective action for the common interest and still think of myself as a socialist.
It would be interesting to ask Starmer if he still considers himself a socialist, as he did on Desert Island Discs shortly after the leadership election. Am guessing he would mention the 'circumstances have changed' line.
I asked someone who was being very critical of Starmer if they thought they could do a better job as leader of the opposition. 'Quite easily' they replied! It's the arrogance of these armchair socialists that infuriates me.
It would be nice to have a party leader who is not detached from it's values (Jon Cruddas). With Wes Streeting using tory language (NHS is a religion), with Starmer's approval, how can he be a socialist?
We need a leader who can fix broken Britain. If we have to wait until every Labour supporter approves of their qualities the Tories will continue wrecking the country.
Just so!
The Marxist manifesto would probably be written by AI if Marx were around today. Yes of course it would be quite different but at its core there would surely be an economic system that did not harm people or the planet and would be anathema to the oligarchs just as the original was.
Anything BUT Conservatives will be transforming.
It can’t be any worse but to actually “change” in any meaningful way will require radical action of which Starmer and crew are incapable- at least from what’s apparent so far. Although there’ll be some relief on July 4th I can’t say I feel anything other than pessimism.
As with all post-war Labour governments, including the 45-51, opposition from the right will be relentless, despite or because of essential and.hopefully transformational reforms. It is essential to earn a good majority second term.
It’s time for ethical, practical action. Sir K may seem boring but if rather put my trust in an principled , economically sound, proactive government that listens to the hard working professionals ( the nhs, teachers, police ) , the working and middle classes , not just pander to the rich and entitled, while pouring poisonous rhetoric about the very people that have been instrumental in bringing the ‘great’ in Great Britain . Yes , the immigrants , Mr Sunak - like your own family!
We tried Corbyn and it was a disaster. We either want to be in power or we don't. No-one gets anything changed in opposition. Sure, I haven't liked everything KS has said and done but he's playing the long game, getting as many on board as possible and crushing the Tories. Starmer will win big and we should all get behind him. Although, ideally, I would like to see Alistair Campbell in as Head of Strategy for maximum effect....
They will need a second term to be transformative, but Starmer and other Shadow Cabinet leaders seem to understand that they must get that message through to voters from the outset.
It will be continuity Tory, austerity, authoritarian crackdowns, marionette foreign policy, neoliberalism dressed up as social democracy. So disappointed in "labour" will the public be that Bad Enoch and the rabid fash will resurge in style in 2029. Dark days ahead. Our only hope is a hung parliament to restrain Starmer from his worst impulses. Vote independent socialist, green, plaid/snp, but don't vote Labour unless more Toryism and an even greater lurch to the right is what you really desire. Sir Keir, the reincarnation of Sir Oswald for capitalism's death throes.
'Capitalism's death throes'! It's been dying ever since it's birth according to those who want a return to benevolent feudalism !
It has contained the seeds of its own demise since inception, certainly.
Not sure who you think wants a 'return' to benevolent feudalism (if ever such a thing existed).
We're in the end days of the current system, we will return to s sustainable, resource based economy and existence one way or another, that is inevitable. The choice is whether to do it now, harnessing all the technology and innovation we have created, or we continue on our current course and end up living in caves.
Starmer prefers the latter option, apparently. Do you?